Trail usage

[krylon]

"wishbone trail" never went past wishbone lake it was only a horse trail, it just has been pushed back thru the years. and it keeps getting worse.

[TonyM]

"wishbone trail" never went past wishbone lake it was only a horse trail, it just has been pushed back thru the years. and it keeps getting worse.

What do you mean "Keeps getting worse"? I'd like to push it as far back as possible, as long as it goes somewhere (And does not cut into private land). Why would extending a trail be a bad thing? Also, I think you have your trails mixed up as far as the horse trail thing. There is a route back there (Before you get to the lake), that is indeed, an oversized game trail. It was used as a mail hauling route back in the day on horseback, but it goes up the valley in a different direction. I think it goes towards Talkeetna/Hatcher pass if I remem right.

[krylon]

extending trails is not always a bad thing, but yeah that one would not go anywhere it gets steep and cliffy. wishbone trail ends at the n.e. end of the lake. fullsize rigs have been trying to get back there for year sand all they do is tear the crap out of it and turn around 50 yds later. then on the other side of the coin is when you extend trails it takes you off of the "established trail " and then we as the 4x4 communtiy get labled as "irresponsible" and we destroy the earth with our "thrillcraft" eska falls is a prime example, it used to be a 4 wheeler trail and everybody was cool with that but when you start bring in offroaders look where we are ther is 2 trails going up there and it is tore to all hell. my .02

[TonyM]

Wishbone trail I think is an exception to the typical rule for offroading trails. Because there is a swamp essentially at the end of the trail (Atleast for 4x4s). I agree, people should be turning around before the swamp, if its not frozen or snow covered, because that swamp is not getting any better, and prob won't for some time. There is a little wood bridge there now, but like in most years, I doubt it will last that long, esp with 4x4s trying to traverse it.

However, virtually every other trail thats out there is recognized for use with OHVs. Usually, as with Wishbone, there are environmental barracades of some kind, that end the trail. This may not forever be the case, but I assure you, not running trails, or making new ones because they might get taken away, means they've won on the backside.

Eska is a perfect example of a trail that has been focused on by the nut job environotzis for a long time. It does not matter if we run that trail or not, the opposition to keep "Thrill craft" off that trail will be there. I think the plan to try to accomadate all users, with help from all user groups is one thats worth a shot, and hopefully works out for everyone, but IMO is pie in the sky.

[krylon]

thats true it is like letting them win. good idea on protecting the trail rides section. i think that we as offroad enthusiast should ban together and have our ducks in a row before it becomes an "issue" with the enviros. :hat:

[TonyM]

Well if we can get enough people on the same page, and get over some divisions in the community (Which is doubtful), it would sure be easy to get good turn outs of support when needed :grouphug:

[ryantowry_81]

as far as eska is concerned, that trail i feel, and many others have agreed, that the main deterioration there and braiding of the trail has been due to the fourwheelers and not the trucks who usually stick to the trail, we justy have to show others that fact. usually trails get tore up more by the fourwheelers finding ways around the obsticles they dont want to go through, not by the bigger rigs going through the holes. just my 02 cents though.

[TonyM]

as far as eska is concerned, that trail i feel, and many others have agreed, that the main deterioration there and braiding of the trail has been due to the fourwheelers and not the trucks who usually stick to the trail, we justy have to show others that fact. usually trails get tore up more by the fourwheelers finding ways around the obsticles they dont want to go through, not by the bigger rigs going through the holes. just my 02 cents though.

:iagree:

Anyone who looks at braiding on a trail, esp in its early stage, can tell that it originated from a 4 wheeler... almost 99% of the time. However, because ATVs are a simular usergroup (Just x10 the size as OHV), we cannot necessarily "Blame" them, without hurting ourselves.

I will be curious to see how the Eska thing plays out... This will be a measuring stick as to how much influence "They" (Wink-wink) have on a local level out here in the Mat-Su Borough... :ack2:

[ryantowry_81]

"they" have a big influence with many faces and angles, i have been trying to help as much as i can cause i would really hate to see any of our trails shut down!

[00TJ]

Ryan where you able to talk to scott about setting another time before sutton meeting to do some brain farting or is it good ?

[NOEND]

Eska was only a foot/ATV trail when I was introduced to it. I had seen no other Jeep or truck tracks up that trail. A guy by the name Jeb was a X dirtbike sicko & after all the pins in his body started Jeeping. He took his Jeep up trails that he once drove his bike. Picture a guy running a Jeep up things that a bike would have probs on. He did it & at times failed. But just a little history on when & how that trail became so hot. Seeing the heat that is on it now I wish it was still low key & not so thrashed.

[ryantowry_81]

Ryan where you able to talk to scott about setting another time before sutton meeting to do some brain farting or is it good ?

we talked alot last thursday i think we about got it covered. you going to the meeting right jerry? he said he wanted two or so from every club and i know brian is going so you would make the second. i will be there too and hopefully 2B2P will too so we will ahve the three bigger clubs there to show our commitment to the trail and keeping it open, i think that is the biggest thing to sell the sutton people on, that we are there to use the trail with them and dont mind putting the time in to keep it up, show we are responsible wheeleras and not the adrenaline junkies some of them think we are!:rant:

[ryantowry_81]

Eska was only a foot/ATV trail when I was introduced to it. I had seen no other Jeep or truck tracks up that trail. A guy by the name Jeb was a X dirtbike sicko & after all the pins in his body started Jeeping. He took his Jeep up trails that he once drove his bike. Picture a guy running a Jeep up things that a bike would have probs on. He did it & at times failed. But just a little history on when & how that trail became so hot. Seeing the heat that is on it now I wish it was still low key & not so thrashed.

i hate to disagree with you curtis but i have talked to a couple of local suttonites and they ahve said they had used that trail for mining back in the 70's and they watched that trail get built. the guy i talked to even named the claims owners which i cant recall at this time.

[krylon]

the trail up to the falls was never used for mining. up to a certain point on the "coal hills" aka the maze of trails up in the jonesville are that will connect you to or start you out on was used for mining. there may have been claims but none that warranted a "full scale" mining effort that would have made them punch the trail to eska falls. it was originally a horse trail, used im sure by miners, but also hunters.

[AKBearMoose]

the trail up to the falls was never used for mining. up to a certain point on the "coal hills" aka the maze of trails up in the jonesville are that will connect you to or start you out on was used for mining. there may have been claims but none that warranted a "full scale" mining effort that would have made them punch the trail to eska falls. it was originally a horse trail, used im sure by miners, but also hunters.The trail has a mechanized and improvement history...that is how it qualifies for RS2477 status and is posted by regulatory agencies all the way up at the top

[krylon]

Yes moose your right, I'm just saying machinery never Went past the big ravine.
All machinery stopped at the top of the hill. The signs didn't go up untill late 2003 and that was because
people were trying to go everywhere up there. We seen some nutbags trying to climb the side of the falls on dirtbikes

[krylon]

im not tryin to spoil any fun or sound like a prick but thats gonna ruin the snowmachining.

maybe buffalo mine area ?

[wayne]

im not tryin to spoil any fun or sound like a prick but thats gonna ruin the snowmachining.

snow machines have a butt load more trails then what we have to play on every winter .. i really dont care if i put tracks in the snow on buffalo mine .

and when the snow starts getting deep enough to finally take the snow machines out its too deep for the trucks anyway ..

[krylon]

i really dont care if i put tracks in the snow on buffalo mine .


come on, this is what makes us look bad. im not saying dont go just think about it. buffalo has been done to death, two breathes earlier trails with hills were not being considered buffalo is nothing but hills. nothing pisses people off like trying to take there family on a easy snowmachine or ice fishing trip and the only way in is tore to hell.i agree sno-gos have alot more places to go, all im saying is be considerate. Merry Christmas

[TonyM]

come on, this is what makes us look bad. im not saying dont go just think about it. buffalo has been done to death, two breathes earlier trails with hills were not being considered buffalo is nothing but hills. nothing pisses people off like trying to take there family on a easy snowmachine or ice fishing trip and the only way in is tore to hell.i agree sno-gos have alot more places to go, all im saying is be considerate. Merry Christmas

On the Mt. side there are no lakes... you sure you're not thinking Wishbone (Sutton side)? I don't like running this trail in the winter because of how tight it gets during the snow fall... makes all the trees lean too far in...

The Mt. side has MANY trails... there are 6 trail heads that I know of on the left side of the road... although most go twoards the same place, the routes are for the most part seperate.

[krylon]

the left hand side, yeah sno gos dont really take the trail up there, but the wishbone side gets alot of sno go traffic, last year somebody went in there and tore it all up.

[BLB]

snow machines have a butt load more trails then what we have to play on every winter .. i really dont care if i put tracks in the snow on buffalo mine .

and when the snow starts getting deep enough to finally take the snow machines out its too deep for the trucks anyway ..

Yea this. All the areas to go riding the last place I would take my machine is buffalo mine area. Go explorer the back country on your sled. Like Wayne said there is limit truck trail areas esp in the winter time.

No like it matters anyways a wheeler will never keep up to a sled in the snow lol. There is a million other paths a sled can take to a trucks 1 line:cheers2:

[wayne]

i think the snow machines should stay off our trail ...

[krylon]

All the areas to go riding the last place I would take my machine is buffalo mine area.

coming from the guy that has done it to death. lol


i think the snow machines should stay off our trail ...


horseback riders think you should stay off theres

[NOEND]

I was back on Buffalo Mine trail some yars back & we had started in by the old bridge "poker run" trail. I noticed the trail was packed "groomed". A guy hauls ass over on a sled & is mad! He asked us to not go any further & to take the other way in to the lake. The people around there use the trail to run dogs/mushing. We gave him the respect & took the other way in. The guy cooled down & we had talked about the family that had the big chunk of land on the prison side of the trail. Good info. How many here have been running that trail when that family was living there?

[BLB]

[QUOTE=krylon;2221]coming from the guy that has done it to death. lol


Yes I have wheeled the crap out of that area, not hard to do when you go out every weekend and it is a good trail to wheel. Again I could name a million other places better for a sled.

[wayne]

its a public open trail i have as much right to wheel it as the sled just because the sled decides to hit same time i do does not mean i have quit wheeling ..sleds have a alot better trails to hit than buffalo mine ..

i had been threaten they would burn my rig to the ground if they saw another arctic offroad rig on the trail once .. we had 3 cops with us that ride ..lol

i have as much right as the other guy on that trail ill move over and let them pass but i wont stop just because he chose another means of travel ..

[krylon]

sleds have a alot better trails to hit than buffalo mine

dont get me wrong wayne im not fighting with you on this, just casual debate but the same can be said for 4x4s

had been threaten they would burn my rig to the ground if they saw another arctic offroad rig on the trail once .. we had 3 cops with us that ride ..lol


making threats is dumb what were they thinking? i bet there nuts shrank up real quick once they found out there was cops there.

have as much right as the other guy on that trail ill move over and let them pass but i wont stop just because he chose another means of travel ..

thats all i was asking, last year some kids were being asshats to the locals and they had stickers on there rigs from local clubs (not this one) and they just detroyed the trail and the creek crossing which messed it up for everybody else, not to mention the trash they left behind.

Yes I have wheeled the crap out of that area, not hard to do when you go out every weekend and it is a good trail to wheel.

george, buy a map alaskas huge get out and explore!